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Dollhouse 1x01
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So I think [info]mswyrr and [info]oyceter are completely on-target, and I have no political justification for liking Dollhouse. I am watching it because I love amnesia stories, the more unrealistic the better, and there's something about the setup, passivity and breaking free of passivity, that I find very powerful. So far, though, Dollhouse's execution hasn't been very persuasive; the combination of the gross exploitation (ohmygod, those clothes! the white dress that barely covered her crotch, and the "professional" outfit with nosebleed heels and a jacket that didn't cover her ass) and the heavy finger-wagging makes it impossible to either take seriously or indulge in. I can see how the same setup -- opening with emotional and physical prostitution, closing with child molestation -- could be a powerful, dark episode, but the darks here seemed ... kind of light.

Eliza Dushku as the lead doesn't help. I love Dushku as Faith, but contrary to most of fandom I've never been persuaded she had great range--"Who Are You?" showed me a Sarah Michelle Gellar who was a pitch-perfect Faith and an Eliza Dushku who was an awful Buffy. Her "innocent, childlike" Echo seems entirely fake, and not in a deliberate way.

Interesting but not completely workable sets, sort of Wolfram & Hart, sort of Serenity, sort of panopticon. Lousy security, which is ironic, given the panopticon's origin in prison architecture. And I'm not sure what to make of Whedon's thing for putting girls in boxes. At least River got to come out of hers.

I will give it a few more episodes, but I'm not sold on it.

These were the things I liked:

(1) The geek boy is SO HORRIBLE. I've seen people who think we're supposed to like him because he's Wash/Xander/Joss, but I don't agree with that reading at all. He's Wash/Xander/Joss as a sociopath. He is so clearly creepy. I don't think he will be redeemed at all. I look forward to enjoying his death. He is the one part of the episode that didn't seem glossed over for TV. He's too young, but that amoral arrogance -- he's like white straight male privilege personified. And he thinks he deserves it because he's smarter than everyone else. He doesn't see what upholds that self-definition of smartness.

It does point to larger problems that the most vivid character is the one that I want to see die.

(2) I like the handler, but I also like that he's implicated. Despite his moral qualms, he doesn't step in to save Echo/Caroline from pain; he steps in to extend her pain, to resolve the mission. Maybe what he wants is to save that child, but those aren't the justifications he uses. He justifies it in terms of mission. Despite his moment of connection and partnership with Echo in the van, he treats her like a tool, not like a partner. So far, he's the voice of conscience on the inside -- but when push comes to shove, he doesn't speak for the dolls. He is complicit in their sacrifice (the sacrifice made of them, not a sacrifice they choose to make).

(3) I am intrigued that the show both opens and closes with that voyeuristic view of Caroline. It starts in video tape camera view before going to film, so I think it's the same person with the corpses who was watching pre-Echo Caroline at the end. In both cases, it's our only glimpse of the real Caroline -- and it's a glimpse we see in the context of violence, violation.

I do wonder if that was a network add-on, to lessen confusion, to create attachment. I'm disturbed by what we see of Caroline at the end -- wishing STDs on other women? That doesn't bode well, especially given that the setup seems to mitigate against women being able to make connections with each other (which is actually where Whedon gets most of his feminist cred with me, rather than with the girls kicking ass). The women are isolated by amnesia, power, or lack of power; the men talk to each other. I would feel so much more optimistic about where this was going if either the rogue doll or the FBI agent or both were women. I want to be able to indulge in this as a female id vortex power fantasy, and right now it's feeling too much like a male id vortex violation fantasy. And I get too much of that from pop culture already.

Also, where was the Jossian dialog? If I'm going to sell my soul for bad TV, I want better dialog.


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[info]badgerbag
2009-02-18 02:12 am UTC (link)
I'm probably never going to watch it, but I really looked forward to reading the reactions! These are all fantastic.

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[info]srallen
2009-02-18 02:24 am UTC (link)
Ditto. It only sounded kind of interesting when I first heard about it and nothing since then has made me want to watch/dl it. These reactions though... such interesting/fun reading.

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[info]sasha_feather
2009-02-18 02:33 am UTC (link)
I think the geek guy is an analog of Warren. A friend and I literally thought it was the same actor (it's not).

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[info]coffeeandink
2009-02-18 02:35 am UTC (link)
Oh, sure. But I don't think it's mutually exclusive. I liked that the Geek Trio were, well, geeks; dark mirrors.

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[info]akamarykate
2009-02-18 02:33 am UTC (link)
Geek boy reminded me a lot more of, say, Warren, than of Xander or Wash.

I do not know what to make of this show--there are elements that squick me out, and I can't tell if the show is saying, "Look, isn't this cool--and that I'm so edgy (and exploitive)" or, "Look, isn't this an awful thing and don't you want to see how the characters overcome it?" I want to believe Joss is in the latter camp, but I wonder how much pressure he's getting from the network to at least straddle the fence for as long as possible.

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[info]coffeeandink
2009-02-18 02:37 am UTC (link)
I don't know if it's the network or if it's Whedon's own blind spots. There's lots I love about his work, but it's all got skeevy race issues, and a lot of it's got unacknowledged gender issues (particularly Angel and Dr. Horrible). I mean, right now I'm not squicked out, but I'm not willing to argue anyone else into watching.

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[info]akamarykate
2009-02-18 02:41 am UTC (link)
*nods* Dr. Horrible in particular, cemented a lot of misgivings I had about the gender issues, and you're right about the race issues always being there. That's why I'm just not sure what to make of Dollhouse, I guess--it's the first time I've seriously considered stopping watching one of his shows after the pilot. I'm willing to give it another episode or two, but I'm not sure how much rope to even give him.

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[info]minim_calibre
2009-02-18 03:10 am UTC (link)
Gender issues all through his run on X-Men, too! At least one per issue!

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[info]tablesaw
2009-02-18 02:51 am UTC (link)
I think there's a chance that Topher may be redeemed, but only through the use of The Device, by saying that, at some time, this mad scientist personality was written onto him. Wither way, the current personality, at least, will have to "die."

Personally, I think that the female-female relationship that will be explored is the one between Caroline, Adele, and the third woman whom we have not, we believe, met. I don't know exactly how that's going to happen with the broken personalities, but there was a lot in that first scene, and I don't think it was for naught.

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[info]cofax7
2009-02-18 02:55 am UTC (link)
::nods::

As I said to Fi, they're hanging a lampshade on the skeeviness, but I don't think this set up will allow them to counteract it sufficiently to negate the exploitative element. It's fingerwagging but it's still seriously skeevy.

Word on ED--and I don't know who's been telling you she has great range, either. I certainly never thought so, and it baffles me that Joss thinks she can carry this; nothing in her history to date supports that.

I like Joss, but this? Feels a lot more like Tim. There are reasons I never watched more than one or two episodes of The Inside.

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[info]veejane
2009-02-18 03:12 am UTC (link)
IIRC Minear has a consulting credit; although I don't know if that's a "we went out to lunch and I stole the jokes he told there" credit or something more substantive.

...And yeah. I haven't watched anything Minear's done in a good while -- after a little while it's like, "Please get back to me when you've had a radical re-education, and not before."

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[info]cofax7
2009-02-18 03:14 am UTC (link)
I think Tim's more closely involved than merely consulting, from what I gathered. I mean him well, but he's got issues with women and exploitation that I have no interest in learning about.

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[info]veejane
2009-02-18 04:04 am UTC (link)
Yeeah. "Your therapy session, please don't show me it" indeed.

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[info]nestra
2009-02-18 03:05 am UTC (link)
I will definitely give it at least another episode, but right now, I'm just sighing.

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[info]lilacsigil
2009-02-18 03:44 am UTC (link)
I'm hanging in there for a non-pilot episode, and desperately hoping for some kind of friendship or relationship between any of Echo, Sierra and Dr Fred. But I really have the feeling that it's going to be Echo and Sierra running around on screen, and Boyd and FBI guy doing all the actual plot, with Adele(?) the boss as adversary.

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[info]yuki_onna
2009-02-18 04:27 am UTC (link)
*cocks head*

I just realized. Their names are alphabet code. Like...Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta...Echo. They don't even have names, just letters of the alphabet. Sierra is the S code word.

Edited at 2009-02-18 04:27 am UTC

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[info]coffeeandink
2009-02-18 02:09 pm UTC (link)
Now that is creepy in a way I like.

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[info]faithhopetricks
2009-02-19 12:47 am UTC (link)
Yeah, it's the standard military alphabet code. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet Like when people say "whiskey tango foxtrot."

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[info]fspider
2009-02-18 04:16 am UTC (link)
I was really unimpressed with the pilot - ED was blah (she *crackled* as Faith - incredibly vivid - but this is just unmemorable), "Warren" was *deeply* creepy (he had that fake-tentative mannerism that just underscored how creepy his role is), and the quick fuck/abused child roles were...shockingly original! Except not.

And exactly - where was the Joss dialogue?!? As a Comm major, I read papers about his use of dialogue for kicks, and this was lacking any spark that might distinguish it from any other kinda-sci-fi thing on TV.

ETA: In fact, the only scene that sticks with me (and I only saw it last night) was Sierra's assassin scene, because it was so fast and visceral.

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[info]yuki_onna
2009-02-18 04:21 am UTC (link)
Seriously, re: dialogue. I could barely stay awake for all the exploitation.

And WTF with those heels? I now ED is like 5'1 and it would be a comical angle with the other actor given her size, but they made her look like a kid playing with mommy's shoes. And then she walked on a dock with them. I...don't think so.

Since they clearly aren't willing to dress her like a professional woman, that limits the rolls we'll be asked to take her seriously in.

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[info]laurashapiro
2009-02-18 05:19 am UTC (link)
He's Wash/Xander/Joss as a sociopath.

I'm thinking he's Knox, actually. Fits the description, yeah?

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[info]heyiya
2009-02-18 05:26 am UTC (link)
I intended (still intend) to watch Dollhouse primarily to enjoy Eliza Dushku, on whom I have an enormous crush, and I am saddened to be forced to agree with you re: her range. And though I reacted to the sexy librarian thing like a heterosexual man, that white dress *hurt*...

I am enjoying her regardless and am fascinated enough by the memory/amnesia/did things really happen if you can't remember them? stuff to slog through the gender and race horrors (the former I am sure they at least think they are working purposefully to undermine, the latter I am equally sure they have no clue about) for a while longer, but yeah. It was slightly less interesting than I had hoped for, even.

The opening scene reminded me of the opening of Delany's Stars in my Pocket Like Grains of Sand ("Of course, you will be a slave. But you will be happy"). Not that I think this is going to evolve into anything approaching the examination of free will and subjectivity that book is.

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[info]thomasyan
2009-02-18 06:06 am UTC (link)
I started watching this with a visiting friend. He started snoring partway through, so I told him that was a sign we should go to bed or do something else.

I did watch the rest the next night, but I had it on in the background while I played a videogame. I remained unimpressed. Maybe it will get better.

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[info]holyschist
2009-02-18 06:17 am UTC (link)
I love Dushku as Faith, but contrary to most of fandom I've never been persuaded she had great range

I am very much with you on that. I mean, she's pretty, but I have yet to see her convincingly play any role dissimilar to Faith.

(1) YES. He was so, so creepy. Maybe he'll get the "funny" dialogue, but that doesn't make him not creepy and sociopathic.

Man, I don't know yet. I don't really have high hopes--it could have been a lot worse, but it also could have been a really interesting and compelling critique, and I'm not seeing that yet.

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[info]rashaka
2009-02-18 09:40 am UTC (link)
1) I hope your right. I got mixed signals here-- I personally was severely creeped out by him, but I'm not 100% convinced that was the intended reaction. I couldn't tell if his jokes/speech fell flat with me because the dialogue was weak or because I was too creeped out to identify with him. I *hope* we're not supposed to identify with him because if we are, it might turn me off the show in future eps. I can handle the dolls making jokes about their situation, and I could probably handle the handlers/security joking around, but if we're supposed to find this guy jokey/cute like Andrew or something... no. Just no. He is NOT Xander, he's Warren. I just hope Whedon and me are on the same page about this distinction.


I'm very curious about where they get the memories. I was wondering if they'd devote a future arc to that--something corrupted in the memories, or hunting down the source of the persona files, etc.


I would feel so much more optimistic about where this was going if either the rogue doll or the FBI agent or both were women. I want to be able to indulge in this as a female id vortex power fantasy

The actor for BSG's Helo was my favorite part of the pilot, but with that sentence you've just made me wish so badly that it was an actress instead. I think my reading of the show would be completely different if the agent were a woman. Because then it could be about the three women--Echo, Corporate Director Lady, FBI Agent--and how their stories overlap and intertwine. Power, penetration, the definition of soul and personality... I'd love to see THAT show. A show that's a massive treatise on power and control and identity... a see-saw with women on each end and a woman balancing in the center, all vying for control of the machine.

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[info]coalescent
2009-02-18 10:30 am UTC (link)
On Topher, from here:
Whedon later told the audience that he wrote a lot of himself in the Topher character, as they are both writers in a sense – Whedon writes scripts and Topher "writes characters – and has no morals."
I've seen a description of Topher as someone whose "talent exceeds his morals" around as well, which I believe comes originally from the casting sides, although I can't google up a page to confirm that.

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[info]rashaka
2009-02-18 05:34 pm UTC (link)
That's encouraging.

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[info]buymeaclue
2009-02-18 01:35 pm UTC (link)
I'm very curious about where they get the memories.

We were wondering that, too! I wondered if the fact that the real!Eleanor Penn (and what was up with that? didn't Topher say earlier that they use multiple sources to create each imprint? but that one seemed to be all one person?) had committed suicide was more meaningful than just on face value. That is, are the memories copies or more cut-and-paste?

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[info]rashaka
2009-02-18 05:33 pm UTC (link)
I think they said that Penn was a composite, but based mostly on Penn. I got the feeling, actually, that the person who was kidnapped and committed suicide was not the same personality as the negotiator Penn. I would have to rewatch it again to be sure.

I can imagine there being a databank of memory imprints, but I imagine most of them would be normal people. No one would pay half a million dollars to hire a make up counter salesperson.

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[info]buymeaclue
2009-02-18 01:33 pm UTC (link)
Also, where was the Jossian dialog?

I think there were bits of the typical Whedon dialogue in there, or attempts at it, but the actors couldn't sell it. That's what I was trying to get at with my (admittedly brief and flippant) post the other day. There were a bunch of scenes--the one where Echo walks in on the Sierra...procedure, frex, and Topher shoos her off--where the dialogue felt like it was supposed to have that kind of feel to it, but the delivery just dropped it flat.

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[info]julieandrews
2009-02-18 03:20 pm UTC (link)
Your last comment is spot on. It didn't sound like a Whedon show, except for like one line.

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[info]xterm
2009-02-18 05:02 pm UTC (link)
I'm in total agreement with you on the sociopath-geek. I guess they are trying to make him to be so anti-social that he can't see the women (and I noticed at the end one male who got into one of the bed/boxes) but please that is so one dimensional.

I'm just sad that it's not very good and may toast Terminator which is pretty much the opposite of this show. Yes, yes there are issues with Terminator as well, but it's one of the few shows out there that has strong female characters that interact with the make characters. I've heard the argument that Sarah is only there for John, but Derek's there in the same way for John if not more than Sarah...

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[info]faithhopetricks
2009-02-19 12:50 am UTC (link)
I LOVE Eliza as Faith (altho I thought she was a bit better as Buffy than you did) but I've never thought she had great range; she sucked in nearly every other thing I saw her in (besides Salton Sea, Bring it On, &c). So one technical problem with the story is not only the hole most reviewers pointed out, in that the 'characters' Echo plays are only there for one ep and whatever characterization Echo herself gets is going to be pure B-plot, but if you asked me for the name of an actress who could deploy a chameleon-like ability to display a dazzling variety of characters "Eliza Dushku" would not spring instantly to mind. MAYBE someone like Jennifer Jason Leigh, altho she's too old and nonpretty by Hollywood standards, or Lili Taylor.

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[info]attitudeproblem.wordpress.com
2009-02-20 02:16 am UTC (link)
Just wanted to note that I agreed with (and linked to) a good deal of this: politically problematic yet something I feel the need to watch.

Best, Bene

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